Sad about the direction things have gone here

[KnottyBuoy]

You can't please everyone, and I know that; and I guess there was just more clamor for the things I don't care for than for the things that originally brought me here.

But you have less and less to offer people who want to see a fully scripted scenario that involves bondage or other restraint combined with desperation and visible wetting. Instead you have more and more "Watch GirlX sit here in increasing degrees of desperation until she finally has to pee". There's less wetting and more peeing-on-the-potty. Among those videos in which there is scripting, you've drifted towards two girls both of whom need to pee are in some predicament and both end up wetting, as opposed to one person MAKING the other person wet their pants.

To me it means there's less and less to distinguish your offerings from those of other sites that never sought to focus on tying or chaining someone and/or forcing someone to wet themselves.

[Bound2Burst]

I'm afraid I must respond to market forces. Sales of the kind of videos you describe have declined sharply and are now uneconomic to make, whereas the current approach is doing far better. Sorry to disappoint.

[explode]

I have to agree as even I started visiting b2b and bought the videos from many years back since b2b actually started making movies. I still remember reading the stories those days before movies were made. i've been a long term follower and customer.

I'd just like to ask... is it possible to still make scenario movies but sell it on a higher price tag where you think it is profitable to you? People like me and KnottyBuoy who are specifically into this will definitely support your sales as this is exactly what we want.

Well, its only a suggestion...

[LovingDesperation]

This reply is only meant for Explode, KnottyBuoy and others that may like a specific kind of video and are not worried about cost.
Did you ever think about having a CUSTOM VIDEO made ? You could probably get that done for a few hundred dollars and maybe Dave would be willing to do it too.

[Sphincter_movement+]

Hi Dave

Yes this would be a good idea like Lovingdesperation suggested getting a Custom movie made.
If you can get a number of members together and all agree on a custom movie you would all like to see made, and Dave made this movie and covered his costs with a little profit for himself.
Once the movie was made everyone who agreed to this must buy the movie, otherwise it would be a waste of time Dave doing this and Dave would lose money.

SM

[awg2013]

As was said, you can't please everyone. I happen to love the peeing-on-the-potty format and it's all I buy. To each his own.

[lonestarr022]

i like many of the scenario videos, but i understand that you have to do what bring in the most success. In order to succeed, you have to cater to the majority, that's just how it is. i understand I'm in the minority, i will be happy if i get a few of those every now and then.

[LeoWetlook]

Hi, sorry to reopen an old thread but it seemed a better idea than starting a new one when the subject is the same thing.

I appreciate all the points raised on both sides of the debate and am happy with it as it is. My only concern, if you can call it that, is the clothing choices. I understand that Dave makes videos that make him the most profit, and everytime a new set of videos is posted online I look forward to seeing the screenshots to get an idea of what the video is like. For me personally though every time I see a thong the video, in my eyes (and very unfairly to Dave and very selfishly for me) is ruined. I'm not a fan of thongs, and I have bought a few videos from B2B in which they feature and they are still great videos, but they would have been improved (again, selfishly in my eyes) if the models weren't in a thong.

What I am ultimately asking is - who is it that makes the choice in what clothes are worn in any given video? Is it Dave or the model, or even a fan who has suggested it? Again, I appreciate that we're all different and that we all have different tastes, likes, dislikes, etc; and I was just curious in this instant. This isn't a knock against Dave, B2B, or any of the models; but rather just something I've noted along with the other changes that have occurred over the past few years. For those of us that enjoy a simple hold and accident in panties (of which I enjoy the most) for me seeing a thong just turns me off, and whilst I still enjoy the video nonetheless I would like to see more normal bikini-style panties being shown again.

Just doing a number-crunch of the videos during the course of 2014 to the end of August (going by screenshots alone for the videos I haven't seen), the entire last batch of videos all have thongs in them (three videos). The total videos so far this year have been 81, with 13 in normal panties (16%), 25 in thongs (31%), and the other 43 are either naked pee or I can't determine due to the clothing in the video (53%). I'm not sure what the numbers in these categories are for previous years but I recall there being a lot more normal panties videos in the past. Is this another trend in that thongs = more sales?

Anyways, sorry for the long post that almost meandered into a rant - I will always love the work that Dave, B2B, and the models do; I just wanted to add my two cents, so to speak.

[Bound2Burst]

Hi Leo,

No problem about reactivating the thread. I'm happy to read all questions and opinions.

Choice of panties: In most cases the models select what they most want to wear. Being young, they tend to favour thongs since most of them wear these in every day life. Given the profession they're in, that's not surprising. Some of them look askance at the fuller panties as if these were things their mothers would wear, and indeed that's probably the case.

I have received e-mails at different times from visitors who either come down in favour of one type or the other, and as with most things there is no consensus. If anything, I think the number who want thongs slightly outweigh those who don't, but the difference is not significant.

To be honest, I don't give it a lot of thought during a shoot, unless we are after a very specific effect. As you point out, there are numerous videos where the panties are not seen at all. Usually they are being worn, although in the case of jeans wetting sometimes not, depending on how the model feels about it. For some of the girls, the more clothing they have to pee through, the harder they find it to release. It's a psychological thing.

I will try to keep this issue in mind and present a fairer cross-section of types in future.

Cheers - Dave.

[Anon_E._Mus]

Ah, yes, the panties or “knickers” and thongs young women wear. Where else but here would you find a public discussion of that.

Typical panties include an elastic waistband and a pair of leg openings which, like the waistband, are often made of elastic. When worn under tight jeans or the newer leggings, the elastic bands of a low waist and the legs are clearly visible as ridges under the jeans or leggings, and I am told young women do not like the edges of their panties outlined so visibly. That's understandable.

Hence the thong, which in its extreme, as you know, is only a crotch panel to cover the personal area. Thus it is less likely to show the ridges of the elastic bands, yet also does not reveal the contours of the personal area.

One vendor of female desperation videos requires all of his models to wear “white cotton panties.” O.K, that's his thing. Fetish preferences are very quirky as we all know. The thong is despairingly called “anal floss” by some. O.K., so it's not their thing.