Models for March

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This month sees the arrival of two new models together with some favourites. The new girls are Cadence and Keri. Kerri will be working with Autumn so I think we can expect another holding contest there. The first shoot of the month is Laci, and we shall also be seeing Taylor again. We shall also have the new combination of Amber and Jasmine together. It promises to be a productive few weeks.

[bobbo1985]

Absolutely amazing Dave! When can we expect to see these lovely ladies in action? Oh and hey do you have any plans for more scenarios where the girls encourage each other to keep holding on or any plans to measure capacity again?

Cheers!
Bobbo

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[TruFan3]

Will Monica Jade be returning any time soon?

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Laci's new movies are now appearing in the B2B Fetish Store. We recorded 4 desperation movies, all very similar but in different outfits, including one naked. They will also be released as a set tomorrow.

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Any plans on doin some elevator movies again probably with Cadence?

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[ekyeda]

Laci's movies are awesome and can't wait to see these 2 models and their work here. Good work, Dave - as always.

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Hi Dave
Oh Dave this is bad news no more scenario movies, and I have a stackful of ideas here waiting for you
Getting too much for you in your old age matey, cannot throw them over your shoulder like you use to hey.

QuoteNo elevator movies for a while. In fact, probably no scenario movies of any kind for now since these have sold poorly of late. Contests and straightforward desperation clips are doing a lot better.

Still at least your in one place when filming straightforward desperation clips, which means the good lady wife knows where you are and what you are up too.

SM

[pcwp]

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Hello pcwp,

Here are my responses. They are not intended to be defensive so please don't interpret them that way if they should come across as such. I know my style of writing sometimes appears confrontational when I don't intend this at all.

The scenarios have not gone for good but certainly for now. In general, scenario sales had dropped to such a low level that I was making a loss on them almost every time. Carrying on like that would have been foolhardy. The situations which bore you - the girl just standing in front of the camera and squirming until she wets herself - are currently very popular. A fair percentage of the audience is clearly more voyeuristic than that interested in watching desperation stories play out.

The sets are still with us (despite what I said), but only where all of the movies contained therein are essentially of the same format. The difference in sales of sets which mix scenarios and non-scenarios, as opposed to the simple non-scenario format, is roughly a factor of 5. It's not trivial, and I have to pay attention to it.

Regarding scenarios: Frankly, it is now extremely difficult to come up with something which is both original and plausible. Because of where I live, there is no realistic situation where the girl can't go pee in the woods. Inside the house, there is no real reason why she can't just run to the bathroom, other than if I stage a hold up or involve bondage, the latter being generally unpopular too. Location filming, as in the old days where one could have the girls in real and desperate situations, became untenable because of the risks - the interference of the public, and the lack of locations where one is not plagued by security cameras/cellphone cameras, etc. Moreover, location shoots used up most of the day. This was possible back when I only filmed B2B content, but now that I film for Beauties in Bondage too there simply isn't the time to spend several hours on the road driving to and from suitable places to set up desperation scenario, most of which can't end the way one would like because of laws against urinating in public, and the lack on willingness on the part of the models to subject themselves to that level of humiliation.

I also believe that my market has changed over the past 7 years, and I have to adapt to it or perish. There is far more interest now in nudity and contests. Even here, while the latter are steady sellers they are expensive to create owing to the presence of two or more models. If I compare Laci's recent solo shoots with she and Autumn together; all three sets have sold very well, but the ones with Laci alone have made almost as much as her joint shoot with Autumn. My profit from the latter is obviously much smaller. So, in the end, what would you do? The simple approach is clearly more cost effective.

You are not alone is mourning the passing of the older style, but at the end of the day customers who want scenario-driven movies need to actually buy them when they are produced in order to inform me about what I should film, and make them worth doing. If scenarios without location filming are no longer of interest, then clearly I should leave them alone and save my money.

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Dave

Thanks for your responce, I don't think it was confrontational

I know the reasons, which is why I didn't really think it worth posting but glad to know that sets haven't gone completely, and will just have to see what the future brings. I agree it has changed a lot, and certainly the public thing is no longer possible. Maybe once summer comes you might decide to at least move from away from the dining area for a few clips - adding in some outside movies whatever they may be might make it a bit more varied - oh also do you still plan on using the basement? Has it just been too cold so far (understandably) to film down there? Used to be quite a few shoots down there but haven't been for some time - just wondering if that's due to winter or other causes?

Also just out of interest, how do you count a set purchase when looking at sales? Is it just a +1 for each movie in the set or? I guess you'd probably look at the singular purchase data more anyway - just wondering if as you said...I should start purchasing more scenario based movies (if you ever make them again ) rather than as a set lol - though maybe they won't be in sets anymore *oh dear, too many unknowns*

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[MPee3]

I think one of the great things about this website is this message board and this means of communication with Dave. Even if you don't always (or ever) listen to us, I find it very interesting to get a peek into the thought process and the challenges that go into making these videos.

My personal 2 cents, are as follows: I never actually liked the scenario-driven movies. I don't know why, but they made my uneasy and were not fun to watch. Maybe it was the combination of the contrived scenarios and the poor acting. I like straight-up desperation, but at the same time I agree that having an endless series of model after model doing exactly the same thing does tend to get boring and repetitive. I usually buy a set only if something interesting comes along - some variation on the theme, something interesting in the video description, or at least a prettier model I think If you keep on doing only the single-model, dining-area, solo desperation, you'll have to keep bringing in new models every week because there is not much point in filming more and more of these with the same model, it will be like making the same movie over and over again.

I like the multi-model holding contests. The wettest link is one of my all time favorites, and I think it could have worked even with a smaller number of models, to keep the cost down. Two-model contests are fun. The latest one where they actually encouraged the other to hold on was a very nice variation on the theme, kept things fresh and interesting.

I used to like the car movies. I'm aware that this topic has been discussed to death and Dave has vetoed it. Still, some of the best ever B2B movies involved car themes - Jayne's "Full Capacity" and "All Dressed Up", Rachael's "Airport Run", Amber (the first Amber) "Traffic Jam" - the list goes on and on - the car ride, much like the bondage movies (which I don't like), forced the models to wait above and beyond what they would normally do. Jaybe was sweating with desperation, Amber practically said (in the "behind the scenes" movie) that movie job or not, she literally cannot continue and can't hold on for another second, she was pushed to her top limit and just HAD to pee RIGHT NOW. The model does not have to pee inside the car and wet the seat. I'm all for a "just made it" where the model jumps out of the car and pees in the woods, her clothes, or even the toilet. Maybe this has to do with the fact that most of the real-life female desperation that I've had the chance of seeing in real life involved long car rides. Talk about voyeurism.

It seems like most of your novel ideas were successful at first. The "Holding it for hours", the "Permission to pee", the "Time to go" - all had a successful run because they were fresh and interesting and were never done before. I bought Becky's private boat-peeing movie just because it was original (only to find it involved only peeing and not desperation so it didn't match my taste so much).

My point is that I think you should be careful about taking only the tried and true path. You should leave at least some percentage of the movies for exploration and experimentation. You never know where you might strike gold.

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Thanks for your thoughts, MPee3. I do listen but I often don't act because the suggestions are often not practical. It is to do with cost in some cases, and in other I just honestly don't want to pursue certain ideas.

I agree, experimentation is good. The thing is though, where do I go from here? I have been filming desperation clips for over 7 years, have filmed something like a thousand of them, and good ideas are now hard to come by. Contests are an obvious way to continue, though when they don't do well they represent a financial burden; multi-model shoots even more so. Every now and again these can pay off, but not if I film more than one every 1-2 years. They would become too familiar as well, sales would decline, and that would be that.

You yourself have highlighted the problem. You don't like scenarios and you don't like bondage. Some other customers evidently agree with you. What does that leave? Straight desperation where the girl is seen to just hold it until she can't wait any longer, or some kind of competition between models. Essentially, that's what I'm doing now.

The car ones are a nice idea in the abstract, but they do require a minimum of three of us to create them effectively. It is also very difficult to find any place to stop where the girl can get out and pee, and be filmed, without running into problems with passing drivers or causing an obstruction on roads where there are very few pull-in places. Plus, the camera has to stay essentially hidden, so if the girl gets out of sight of the road she is also out of sight of the camera. Running after one with the camera got us into a very awkward situation a few years back, something I am not at all anxious to repeat. The other thing with the girls is, if you take them to such an extreme limit during a shoot, that's pretty much all you are going to get that day. It's a very exhausting business for them, and they won't let themselves get into such a chronic state of desperation twice.

There may have to come a point where I create a lot less content to save money and film multi-model sessions every few months, although I doubt that this would work for very long. One would always have to come up with another game/contest to make it interesting, because the audience may quickly becomes bored. Being able to watch beautiful girls desperate to pee is, it appears, no longer sufficient.

For the moment though, what I am doing is working well and sales are up significantly. This means the present format will have to do for now, and I will have to see how it goes.

[pcwp]

I agree with wait and see. I don't think 6 years ago you would have thought you'd be shooting the movies you are now, would you?

If sales are doing well then waiting and seeing what happens can't be bad for the time being

[Loo-Loo]

This has turned into a very interesting thread, and so - like it or not - I am going to add my views on the whole subject. However, I do have a tendency to ramble, so you have been warned.

My opinion is that for those of us who are of a certain age, scenario desperation has come about because of the lack of technology. A few decades ago, all we had was magazines (and maybe a very very few poor quality 8mm cine films if we were lucky). In the magazine format, the scenario based story was the norm because many were in the form of letters or articles which may have been pure fantasy, but they were written from either the viewpoint of the person who had witnessed the desperation and/or wetting, or the person who it had actually happened to. Invariably, this was based on a believable scenario because it may actually have happened, or if it was too unbelievable no one would buy the magazine.

Even after the advent of the internet, these story based wetting/desperation scenarios dominated for quite a while because sites did not have enough bandwidth to do much on video. Remember the All Day Girls series of stories? It must have reached about ten very long chapters, and I for one found it to be brilliant writing at the time; even if it was fantasy, there were a number of girls who did try at least to refrain from using school toilets as much as possible, and who knows what might go on at an all girl boarding school.

There would have been little mileage in a story which said, "I walked into my living room, remained standing and just drank as much as possible until I was bursting, then peed myself". I can't see too many punters going for that each week. Because of all that, we became accustomed to the scenario desperation and wetting, and it was only natural that when video bandwidth and online storage became available, that is what we wanted to see.

Now things have changed. Generation Y has come on the scene and they probably know little or nothing of lengthy text based fetish sites. They want everything to be wysiwyg (it does what it says on the tin) with no faffing around on storylines and unconvincing performances by models who were never trained to act.

Unfortunately for the scenario desperation supporters, each person has their own scenario(s) which they would like to see on screen. This is not the case for those who just like to see a model end up with a full bladder and pee in front of the camera, hence the greater sales.

Even just in this thread I have some different scenarios I like to see compared with MPee3 and pcwp, and all three of us probably do not mind some form of multi model holding scenario. Personally, I did not like The Wettest Link that much because there was too much sitting involved. I prefer standing desperation especially with multi-models, and use the teasers to gauge how much there will be in any particular clip. But I am probably in a minority of one, so am under no illusion that there would ever be many sales of my personal preferences.

Unless, I start up or comission my own multi-model all standing desperation movie site, entirely at my own expense, I know that I am never going to get my ultimate video made, so I just accept the best of what is available.

I am happy that Dave is driven solely by sales, because it means that B2B is likely to continue for the future and at least there will be a source of good quality desperation movies available. Three cheers for Dave and what he has done since 2007.