Star is so hot,but why......

[handshjq1990]

Hi Dave

I have downloaded "time to go 12" and have to say Star is so hot,I like her very much! But why not a "hold as long as she can" series instead? we are long time to see girls hold as long as she can and directly pee into a cylinder to test their limits （the nearest is holding contest 14 ) .Candle and Star you both take "time to go" instead. I sincerely request the next time you can test Star and candle's bladder capacity.(maybe a hold as long as she can series or hold it for hours series) we can see from “time to go 12” that Star's bladder is not small. It is so excited to See girls really despair to pee and struggle to wait just a little bit longer ,and then pee into cylinder to see how much and how despair they are.

I personally think that every model must be measured at least once, except the model who doesn't do nudity(like Jasmine). Since you use a new camera for providing us HD video, we really rarely see girls' limits capcity test , and "hold it for hours" series even without . I know some visitors don't want to see the nudity measuring ,would rather they were like those filmed in the early days when the models always held on until they peed in their clothes. But there are many visitors like me want to see girls' limits capacity . Recently this really dose too little. I think camera can not be a reason(can not see hold it for hours in the future make me so disppointed), I believe you will have a solution.

By the way , I suggest the "time to go" series take every 15 minutes to release one cup. Because 5 minutes is too short to product pee in spite of they drinking frequently. In the" time to go 12" Star's bladder is much smaller before she pee into cylinder . I think girls use cylinder should be the moment when they really can not wait any longer, I think "time to go "series should be showing that: girls release one small cup of pee unable to meet their needs, get their limits in the end and have to pee into cylinder immediately!

[Bound2Burst]

Some of you keep asking for the holding it for hours format, but I have already explained the difficulties with this. If the model holds for 2 hours, the video (unedited) will be 2.4 GB at the current HD settings. If I reduce the bit-rate I could get the video down to under the 2 GB limit on Files Forever. However, this video would be released solo since it would be far too big to form part of a set. These videos also take up a lot of the shoot time, preventing the recording of other material for both B2B and Beauties in Bondage. To compensate for this loss of content and hence profits, the cost of a holding it for hours video would be $40-50. Given that during the first half the model won't need to pee, do you really feel it is worth the cost?

[handshjq1990]

[felgor1]

Hi Dave,
Looks like there are more and more people wishing to see new 'Holding for hours.../...Holding as long as she can... and Holding contest' episodes, especially with using measuring cylinders at the end.
As for the ways to compensate costs, that was already discussed in detail in 'Real, not staged' topic of this very forum, like lowering transfer rates, 'fast-forwarding (i.e.skipping) portions of the first hour, when desperation just starts to build up, shooting other (bondage) scenes during that time etc.
The 'weakest link' here is to absolutely ensure there is no cheating (i.e. trips to bathroom) followed by faking, which I highly doubt as it is very easy and obvious to find out, hence is not worth risking. I guess anything in 800 - 1200 ml range would be a good indication of the true desperation anyway.
I believe that sacrificing these formats just for the sake of a form (higher quaility - HD) versus contents is not a very good idea. I also believe that many will gladly accept having top rated content, rather than top rated picture quality any day.

[pcwp]

You run into problems if you start shooting things at different resolutions, for starters, you wouldn't be able to mix that content (just jeans/skirts/made it). I suppose you could convert the video to lower resolution but this just highers cost again. Cutting the video and producing two different versions doesn't do very much these days I expect, the one with the chit chat zero desperation will probably sell better and the cost of time 'wasted' not doing a bondage shoot is still there :S, this is the biggest difference to how it used to be

I don't think it's worth the extra cost for an hour - two hours of no desperation whatsoever. If your able to do other shoots in the meantime go for it, and do a holding as long as she can - could even throw in a few mins behind the scenes or something similar to the 'all day shoots', just like preparation, mixing some content from BIB that is relevant to B2B etc.

I'd save the one movie 'sets' to special holding contests between models or similar and special movies like 'wettest link'. Personally I wouldn't want to downgrade from HD just to have an extra hours worth of chit chat with no desperation, that I'd most likely only watch once, not to mention the costs Dave incurs from not being able to do any other shoots :S.

Also, on the topic of star, has any model for their first shoot done a holding for hours type movie anyway? Above anything else seems a bit extreme for a first shoot if they are still a little unclear whether they want to continue or not, suppose TTG isn't much better actually, but at least after the first shoot they might know to hold it that little bit longer etc

[Bound2Burst]

Ultimately, my choices comes down to what is healthiest for the website. Shooting one very long movie means that I can sell it only to people who like that particular format. Even here smaller issues can affect sales - in such a movie, the model is wearing just one outfit, and if this doesn't appeal to some of the audience they won't buy the movie. The shorter movies enable me to include those who like jeans, skirts, dresses, and underwear; they allow me to incorporate a range of styles, such as accidental wetting or of just making it; of using a scenario or no scenario, etc. This wider scope of content appeals to a correspondingly-wider audience and generally lead to more sales, whereas if anything goes wrong with a HIFH video, then a great deal has been lost.

There is also the disappointment factor to consider. You guys who go for this format always think the model should pee a huge amount and you are disappointed when she doesn't, and a few of you have even hinted at faking. These expectations are not realistic. Many factors govern how much a girl will pee at any given time - how hydrated she is beforehand, whether or not she has a period, and whether or not she gets pee shy, to name but three. If, for example, I placed Jasmine in this situation, she would stand there for hours in agony and probably be unable to pee. When she did finally force it out it would likely be around 400-600 ml (typical for her), well below your definition of what constitutes real desperation, and yet she "would" be really desperate. The whole measurement thing is just for fun; in terms of gauging desperation it is essentially meaningless. If every model had exactly the same-sized bladder and was in exactly the same physical state of hydration, and all had identical metabolisms, then it might tell you something, but in truth you're just comparing apples and oranges.

[handshjq1990]

[Loo-Loo]

Apples and oranges eh? In some of your videos that I have, it is more like apples and melons judging by the stomach bulge.

(Sorry, I just could not resist that).

Are there more and more people wanting to see 'holding it for hours' movies?

Personally, I am obsessed with desperation and measuring someone's bladder capacity is well down on my list of priorities. Yes it shows how much liquid was being held, but I have had days when I felt I could not hold on much longer and the net result was barely 500ml, and others where I needed to go and it seemed to go on for ages - so probably twice that amount.

After many years of desperation movies (from certain other sites) that barely lasted 3 or 4 minutes, anything of 10 minutes or above is like paradise, and 30 minutes is pure joy. Even then, I do find myself watching the first 5 minutes and sometimes fast forwarding to about 20 minutes gone just to see how things have "hotted up" after another 15 minutes. Over 30 minutes and, as has been said, the early stages of the movies tend to be ignored after a while.

I don't know how many customers have tried the 'time to go' format on themselves, but believe me it is not easy by any means. Just because a small amount of pee has been released does not make it any easier to keep the rest in, quite the opposite in fact. The brain has given instructions to "let it all go" only to find everything cut off after a few seconds.

From my point of view this makes for even more graphic model desperation than just holding for as long as possible. There was a three model version of 'time to go' released a while back (sorry, don't have my list of videos to hand)* and that was a classic, mainly because each model had to watch the others peeing into the cup, while at the same time holding their own muscles closed and not really knowing when they would be given their chance to release a little more.

It is this kind of unpredictability that makes a movie great, as far as I am concerned.

* I looked for it later and the video I was thinking of was 'Permission To Pee 4'.

[Bound2Burst]

[handshjq1990]

Okay, I will still continue to wait and wait... But You did not say you also repel "holding contest" series. You can fit in time do some holding contest, In these series we can also see pee into a cylinder... Expect holding contest 15 16 ....

[Alister_McFish]

This may be a minority opinion; I have no way of knowing. Only Dave knows the numbers of sales.

To view a woman or women urinating into a graduate (measuring cylinder) is one of the most uninteresting events I can imagine. I have absolutely no interest in watching such a thing, and I do not buy such videos.

The relative sizes of women's bladders are useless statistics, and I do not watch or buy videos of contests that are based on measuring bladder volumes.

I am much more interested in observing the models' personalities, their senses of humor, their acting skills (none of this is real, you know), and how they handle artificial situations that would be humiliating if they were real and are embarrassing enough even when they aren't. I do not need to see the models nude because almost all slender young women look very much the same from their navels to their knees.

Just an opinion..., but I do purchase videos.

[felgor1]

Well, it all comes down to timeless 'apples' versus 'oranges' dilemma, as there are as many totally different opinions around as different people. That's why some like hard rock and others prefer symphony or Mongol folk music, it is pointless and waste of time to compare or argue which one is 'better'. 'To each his own' like they say. But if the site carries wording '...Burst' in its title, then desperation (real one!!!) should be at least some sort of foundation for other actions built on top of it. Obviously, it looks as I and others sharing similar preferences are in minority unfortunately, and our only choice is to wait and hope that 'majority' will be kind enough to us from time to time.
As for the ways to accomodate these formats, it was already suggested to (may be) start shooting when model(s) is ALREADY in a fairly desperate state.
Nobody (me included) wants to watch initial hour of nothing but chit-chat. That hour could be used filming any other episode etc.
Let's just try balancing the contents of this unique site to satisfy those preferring 'apples', but not forgetting those few who like 'oranges'. Peace!

[JC1]

Dave,

If you do the HiFH vid with candle, can I request a cut down version be made available as well? Like 20 minutes or whatever the content you end up with dictates. I could never sit through an hour two hour video without fast forwarding over an hour of it, plus personally, I would not pay for the super long content.

Anyway, I do like the nudity aspect primarily due to being able to see the pee and am a fan of time to go, permission to pee, and the holding contests into the cylinders. I do like it when I see one of the models go 800-1400ml into the cyclinder. I know the capacity and amounts are not necessarily indicative of level of desperation, but there is just something to a tremendously large release for me.

That said my 3 favorite vids ever here are the 1st permission to pee with Amber, the recruitment scout with Lola, and one of the first Ginger movies where she tried to hold on for the bonus in the kitchen at night and almost made it. None of those were cylinder or even with much nudity, but the floods were massive. I figure I have probably bought around 25-30 videos over the years, and those stand out (to me). And Carrissa and Candle have had some nice floods as well in particular.

Keep up the good work.

[pcwp]

[Bound2Burst]

[pcwp]

Cool, something to look forward to then

[op124]

video content is more important than video quality (HD)
i really love holding for hours and holding contest

[felgor1]

Exactly my sentiment, op124! Especially, when perceived difference between HD or slightly inferior (DVD?) video on typical PC screen is not that dramatic. Sure, given a choice, everyone would prefer higher quality, but only if the contents does not suffer, just because you can see the tiniest details .
In my opinion, video quality that existed just before the introduction of HD on this site was quite decent. Now, there appears to be a typical 'form over substance' danger is coming. Look how many 3D movies tanked at the box office, because studios mistakenly believed, that people would run to watch ANY 3D movie no matter what. May be it worked initially, but that excitement quickly subsided. Why? Simply because CONTENTS was not good enough. In addition ticket prices were much higher for 3D versions. Bad movie is a bad movie, you know. The same can be said about expensive 3D TV sets, whos sales have been very disappointing. These are just few recent examples, confirming that most people will always prefer (worthy) substance over (empty) form.
Regards.

[cantholdit]

I totally agree with you, felgor1!