Real, not 'staged'

[felgor1]

Hello Dave,

I am a devoted fan of 'true' desperation movies like 'CONTESTS' (especially with cash bonuses for 'extra volume' ) and 'HOLDING IT...' series. I believe, in fact this is the only way to see genuine desperation. There is no need to play or fake anything, and witnessing the enormous amounts of liquid consumed in real time is very convincing. And to see ladies, wearing dresses or skirts (as opposed to jeans) in these movies, is an additional treat by itself!

I do realize offcourse, that other people have their preferences and fantasies and have absolutely no problem with that - 'to each his own' like they say. Still, I would suggest to you Dave, to create more of that 'real' stuff movies as this is TOTALLY UNIQUE to this site. There are other 'wetting' and bondage sites, but nothing like Bound2Burst, so it will be wise to expand and benefit on what only you are doing.

Thanks and best regards.

[op124]

I think same. My favorite movies are Contest with cash bonuses and holding it for hours. I like see movies where measure in jug.

[mudcat]

If you all like real and not staged, may I suggest several of Jayne's movies from a few years back. In "Close Call 1 and 2" Jayne is out shopping in stores and is very desperate in a store full of shoppers. Also, Jayne in " Hanging out with Jayne", is out in public and very desperate. In fact, Jayne began to leak while pumping gas at a crowded gas station.

You may have already checked those movies out, but they did come to mind as I read your posts.

[felgor1]

Hi Mudcat,
Thanks for advise regarding Jayne's movies, will definitely check them out.
Best regards.
P.S. It's not that 'we all like real and not staged...' as you stated. I can only speak for myself and my specific preferences. Indeed, I will be eagerly looking forward to new holding contests, holding for hours, etc. movies from Dave. They are totally unique and you will not find anything like that anywhere else on the Web. Simple as that.

[capsante]

I agree that Jane's early movies were very real. Also check out JAne's "An afternoon Out" - very long but with a terrific ending, and "Late for enrollment" - short but she loses control before she is supposed to do so based on the script. "Full capacity" is also good. The best real desperation are probably the two movies from Amanda, who sadly did not continue to work for B2B. Amber in Amber's Early was all too short but real. Lily in "Another Take" starts leaking before the final filming begins. Most recently Jasmine waits as long as she can and Alone with Amber are very real.

[felgor1]

...And no 'real' stuff has been offered so far lately, inspite of some preliminary intentions.
I hope there might have been some serious reasons for not doing them. As always, I think the 'Time to go...' series (this time with Candle) or 'Permission to pee' fall short to b considered 'real' as they allow for partial relief along the way. Please don't consider me pushing my agenda or being overly obsessed with my interpretation of 'real', but sometimes the simpler IS the better.
On a side note, Dave I'm just curious - how does the 'real' staff stand in terms of popularity/overall sales? I would be VERY surprised to find out if it's at least not as profitable, as say bondage or all sorts of ficticious 'police officers', 'pupils', 'secretaries', 'abducted','waiting in lines' and the such. As I stated before, the Web is literally 'bursting' (pan intended) with bondage, wetting and other more or less staged staff. B2B, on the other hand, is the ONLY site offerring some truly real desperation without unnessessary drama. Why not giving it some more attention while there is no competition yet?
Thanks and sorry for the long post.

[Bound2Burst]

[felgor1]

Hi Dave,
Your thorough and detailed response is greatly appreciated, it definitely far exceeded my wildest expectations.
Thank you very much for that!
Does that mean then, that these formats are being phased out and will eventually fall victims to circumstances you mentioned?
Do you think they might be at least kept supported on the current level, considering all (definitely real and valid) problems listed?
I am not an expert (even remotely) offcourse, therefore my suggestion might look naive at best, but what if you keep, let say first 10 -15 min and last hour or so intact, and 'fast forward' the middle portion of a movie? Could that help at all (along with lower bit rate)?
Surely, it could compromise to certain degree the whole idea of continuality and cause suspicions of 'cheating' during the fast-forward portion. But I believe, the reputation and respect you have earned is an ironclad guarantee against any cheating suspicions.
In any case, I hope that such a professional as yourself, will find a way to keep that niche alive on B2B site.
It has been an essential and unique part of B2B for many years and its loss would be sorely missed!
Thanks again for your reply and very best regards.

[Bound2Burst]

Hi again,

I don't need to abandon these formats at all, but as you suggest it does require a change of strategy. While some of you do like to watch the entire build up to desperation in real time, there are many who do not. This is evidenced by the number of people who by the cut-down version of these things. I'd be happy to do them in the manner you suggest, showing only a few minutes of that first hour where, in general, almost nothing happens and it's hard to find things for the model to do. I could then use this rescued time to film a bondage scenario before returning to the holding format (more economically viable), by which time the model(s) noticeably need to go and the video is more dynamic and interesting. I would judge that 60-80 minutes would be a sufficient length for these videos, to keep the file size under control. I would still release a second version showing just the last 30-40 minutes for those who just want to get down to the action.

BTW: The reason I shied away from a full HIFH with Candle is that I suspect she can hold for a really long time, and the video might therefore have been 3-4 hours in length and hence unmanageable.

[chris]

Hi

I'll pitch in here with my thoughts. I, like felgor, prefer movies where the model holds on as long as possible (as opposed to a scripted wetting or timed relief). I think those movies are what make Bound2Burst unique. That said, I tend not to get round to watching movies that are longer than about half an hour, so whenever a movie is offered in multiple lengths I always buy the short version. I bought The Wettest Link a while ago - I really must get round to sitting down and watching that one.

Dave, I think you have the right idea at the moment filming bondage movies in between holding movies to make best use of the 'down time' between desperation scenes. I think you offer really good variety as well, so keep up the good work!

Chris

[desperationfan]

Hi,

I agree with felgor1 that I also like 'HOLDING CONTESTS' and 'HOLDING IT' series movies. I also like to see the massive volumes of liquids consumed in real time along with side views of the girls bulging bladders as they fill up and then measured at the end to see who has the largest bladder. I think that Holding Contest 11 was one of your best. Cheyenne had the most sexy bladder bulges I think you have ever shot.

The sets with Page and Becky have been great! I can tell that they have some real chemistry and it does come across and make for some great movies. I hope to see many more movies with them. Maybe even a holding contest.

I also like to see the girls have on dresses, skirts, just panties or a bikini and then for me I like to see them nude near the end when the release.

I also agree that these sorts of videos are totally unique to Bound2Burst and they are the main reason I keep coming back and purchasing more. I am glad to hear that you will be continuing doing videos like this.

I do have some thoughts as to why your Bound2Burst Clips4Sale store is not doing that well and that is because now that you have the automated system working with Files4ever. The system is working well and the prices are better on going direct. I much prefer to go direct as I know that if I need to re-download the videos later I can without a problem. This is not possible with Clips4Sale. Also, The way that their shopping cart system works can be buggy at times. Clips4Sale does have some good customer support but they do charge a premium for their service. It is also nice that the Clips4Sale site is there because File4Ever occasionally has issues and C4S is a good backup for them when they are down. That and I do not see them wanting to host the 1GB to 2GB files that you will need to be producing for the full 'HOLDING CONTESTS' movies. This is true for other stores that have tried to put up desperation videos on Clips4Sale. They are just to big and expensive. They seem to have their service tailored to small clips and not movies that you and others are now producing. They also seem to be more of a general fetish website and with the changes in their rules that do not allow you and others to mention pee in the type or description of the movies that are hosted on their site. I am guessing that they got some complaints by some trolls that want to control what other adults can purchase on their site.

I think the reason that the Time To Go and Permission to Pee movies are popular is because we get to see a close up of the girls pussy when they pee along with some real desperation so they have two things going for them. As for the file size issue. I agree that the longer real time videos file sizes can become an issue with downloading time for us and bandwidth costs to you, storage for us and your host. However for us that do have and pay for fast Internet connections along with lard hard disk drives I am glad you stil are offering full movies, even after the move to HD and not just short HD clips like other stores and sites. Now I will say that for the full movies, if you where to reduce down the file size by changing the bit rate or resolution that would be fine for me as I would be willing to sacrifice quality for full 2/3/4 hour long movies. However I can understand that you have invested a lot in moving to HD and not taking full advantage of that hardware may be something that does not make sense. But maybe just for the holding contests and any future game show format movies I think it would be worth re-visting. Also I do not mind paying extra for the extra long length movies as I totally understand that you can not do them for a loss.

I also like felgor1's recommendation that you could do is to keep the first 10-15 minutes and then do a fast forward maybe at 2x or 4x speed until the last hour or so. That way we could still see the model drinking and not sneaking off to pee along with help with keeping the file size down. What ever you do I am sure it will be good and keep the concept of the HiFH going forward.

I am also glad to hear that your Bondage movies are making you as much money as the Bound2Burst as it does keep you diverse in the kinds of movies you do. I also assume that there are 2 unique customer baises to work with. Not that there may be some crossover but I assume that they are different. The fact that your BIB Clips4Sale store is still listed as a "New Studio" shows that your hard work and creativity in the field is I am sure leading many other producers in the dust. The same can be said for your Bound2Burst. I have seen many of the same story ideas that where created here 1st be copied on other wetting websites. As always, for the producers that are just making copies of your story ideas they will never be as good as what you can produce as they are always one step behind anything that you do and I am sure that is and has won you many loyal fans and followers of this site.

I also can not wait to see how much Candle will be able to hold as it does look like she does have a large bladder with some good holding abilities.

Thanks,

DeperationFan

[felgor1]

Hello Dave,
I am glad and encouraged by the fact, that the suggestion to split a long movie into 3 distinct sections was met positively overall.
Chris and Desperationfan, thanks a lot for your thoughful and supportive input into this discussion.

[Bound2Burst]

Hello DF,

That was one mega post! I will respond to a couple of your comments.

1) The decline is Bound2Burst sales on C4S is a mystery actually. Customers have exactly the same deal with Beauties in Bondage (they can buy from C4S or from Files Forever). Many choose C4S, and the number grows every month despite the cheaper alternative. In contrast, the desperation sales have dropped significantly in the past few years. This is not a worry since sales through FF are healthy. I don't know why the bondage fans are less inclined to avail themselves of the cheaper option and permanent storage alternative.

2) One can place big files on C4S but not through a web browser, which is how most people choose to upload files. If one uses an FTP client there doesn't appear to be a size limit, thus far at least. Big, long files do push the sliding scale of prices up though. The biggest issue for me is the 40% cut by C4S which, to me, is rather excessive. There is no question that C4S tailors itself to 5-10-minute clips which (apparently) is what the majority of customers prefer. Mine turn out to be as long as circumstances dictate and I tend not to worry about it.

3) I can't do a fast forward version of part of a HIFH movie, and I'm betting most buyers would hate that anyway. I would just film a minute or two here and there for most of the first hour to show progress without having the whole thing drag along. There is only so much a model can say or do in all that time, so it does need to be eliminated.

4) B2B and BiB do indeed have almost unique customer bases. There is a little overlap but not much, which is why I splintered off the bondage side of things a few years ago. I seldom do anything bondage deliberately for B2B these days; when you get them, it is usually because a model needs to pee during the filming of a bondage movie and it seems a shame to waste the opportunity to make her wet herself.

5) Paige & Becky travel a lot but they are only around this area once or maybe twice each year. They rank among the occasional visitors, like Cheyenne and Shauna.

[Loo-Loo]

Dave,

I wonder if the C4S mystery you mention in para 1) of your reply, is somehow due to their restrictive search facility? I know that many years ago when it first began, I used to search for "pee" but that word seemed to be removed from all of their descriptions after a while, and instead of getting a decent list of results, I got none at all.

It was then a pain in the neck trying to find another word that would bring up a similar list of search results, so much so that I gave up for a long time and hardly ever went there. I wonder if others have done the same?

Now, they seem to have recognised desperation as a category, which I dont remember being there in the past, and a search on that does bring up lots of your movies and others beside. However, I discovered it purely by accident and because B2B produces such wonderful films anyway, I really had little need to bother with C4S. I think many other frustrated searchers may have just given up with that site altogether?

On another thread you mention the strange attitude at WHP. I wonder if that is because he see himself as the 'father' of the online wetting genre (after all, I think his downloadable clips go back to 1999?) and is of the opinion that his baby has been copied (and bettered) by yourself?

[bubbatub78]

Loo brings up a good point about C4S. I go there at least once a week, and rarely do I find clips that interest me by entering key words. When I do find it by keyword, the clip posters usually have to fake out the moderators using "yellow" or some other word for pee which is ridiculous. So most of the time, I have to browse recent videos in several categories: female desperation, panty wetting, fetish, toilet humiliation, toilet slavery, and wet & messy. It's absurd, especially when they clearly have an older category marked "pee" that must have been outlawed several years ago as it is never updated.

[Bound2Burst]

[Bound2Burst]