I have come across opinions from some people from another fetish wet site, and thought maybe you and the Forum followers may like to view your comments about it.
SMBOUND2BURST PRICE INCREASE
Started By Jimmy Lang , Jun 11 2013 08:33 AM
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Jimmy Lang
Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:33 AM
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There seem to be a few people on this board who are familiar with Bound2Burst. I have bought a few B2B videos over the years (and then lost them all when FilesForever went down!) and keep an eye on the homepage to occasionally buy one that looks really good.
Has anyone else noticed that the prices seem to have increased across the board? A new "Just Made It" compilation is out that costs $25! I have bought those in the past and I could be mistaken, but I don't think they used to be that much. The regular clips seem to be a lot too, with $10 or even $16ish.
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Redd
Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:46 AM
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I am familiar with the site. When they switched to Clips for Sale, C4S charges more based on file size and length of movie. Dave, the guy who runs the site, has very little control over the price, he usually puts the movies as low as possible. He is aware that it cost more. To combat the situation though, he has been using a back door to sell some of the videos from his own website. The problem there is the payment processor, but he has something set up for testing purposes now. You can get the last few releases cheaper by going straight through him.
Hope that sheds some light on it.
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Jodan
Posted 11 June 2013 - 12:29 PM
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That is pretty pricey... I've purchased month long subscriptions a time or two (to other sites, not B2B) with unlimited downloads that were less than that, though for all I know those prices may have increased since then... and B2B videos are pretty high quality too, so there's that to consider. Either way, I can totally understand the producer of these videos being unhappy with Clips for Sale if they're bumping the price up to the point of potentially hurting overall sales. They're kinda messing with his livelihood there when you really think about it.
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Beatrix
Posted 11 June 2013 - 12:54 PM
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I put the blame on Clips4Sale but sadly a lot of payment processors online don't allow for adult websites to work through them - this is a reason why Maxie's site went down as he was unable to find a company that could work for him, as far as I’m aware. Since Bound2Burst is a site that pays per video as opposed to a subscription fee then sadly they're limited to what they can do.
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Sinna (2pee4you)
Posted 11 June 2013 - 04:53 PM
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I really want to say something about this. I think I can for two reasons:
1. I have a clips4sale store that I work hard on every day
2. I am busy with acquiring a merchant account for my own clipstore
First of all, when starting on clips4sale, giving 40% of every sale to them seemed very much. However, if you take a look around, a 60% cut is pretty good compared to other sites. You can receive as low as 25% on some sites and if they have an affiliate program on top, making YOU pay the affiliates, then they are practically stealing free content from you. Clips4sale does not cheat you on those 60% with sudden tax subtractions or any hidden processing fees. You get the 60% in full.
Secondly, I am just trying to get my own merchant account, which you get from an acquirer, which finds a bank that is willing to let you have a "high risk" (adult stuff is "high risk") account. The acquirer wants money. Often a onetime setup fee and also a fixed % AND amount of every transaction (e.g. 14% and 0.25$ from every purchase). Then the bank wants money. They also take a pretty hefty percentage per transaction, but this probably depends on the bank and the contract your acquirer was able to negotiate. Even with a 'good' contract, you will lose money again. Then there are chargeback’s. A fee of 28$ or more for EACH chargeback is pretty normal. CCbill, zombaio, Epoch etc. charge similar amounts. Imagine a customer buys a 3$ clip. You have to pay about 20% and 0.25-0.80$ in fees. Let's say you earn less than 2$ from that. Now you have to wait for 6months, as that is how long the customer can claim (with good reasons) a chargeback. If he does and the claim is valid, you pay 28$ (or more). That makes -26$ for you which hover above your head like a Damocles' sword for 6 months. We are not finished. Because obviously, you also have to pay for hosting (and you need a good server) and also for traffic (luckily some bandwidth is included in the hosting). Did I mention that having customer support is important when applying for a merchant account? Well, it is. Clips4sale does all customer support for you. They also pay your hosting and bandwidth. They have a zero chargeback policy, while still keeping customers happy by being nice and re-enabling crashed downloads and more. None of those costs fall back on studio owners. No chargeback fees while you can still accept credit cards from all around the globe. Talking about the globe: Clips4sale generates tons of traffic for you. If you consider all this, 40% is pretty fair. It's short of awesome.
I also want to say that some things that have been said here are simply not true:
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When they switched to Clips for Sale, C4S charges more based on file size and length of movie.
1. C4S does not charge based on file size and length of movie. It is pretty simple. The file size does not matter for the prices at all. You are allowed a maximum of 1.2GB per file if it's <30minutes and 1.5GB above. How bound2burst repeatedly goes beyond that and is allowed to keep those is probably another sign of how nice c4s support is. The length DOES matter. I want to use a statement from a post above to explain
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A new "Just Made It" compilation is out that costs $25!
Yes, and that compilation (I suppose you mean Just made it 10) is 52 minutes in length. Look at their newest post. It's 51 minutes and costs 15.99$. So the simple answer is, THEY charge 25$. Clips4sale has NOTHING to do with that. The ONLY thing clips4sale does, is set a minimum price. e.g. a 2minute clip cannot cost less than 2.99$.
Then why can they charge 'only' 15.99$ for their 51 minute clip you ask? Well that is because, quite contrary to what was posted above, the longer a clip is, the cheaper you are ALLOWED to make it. I am guessing, as I don’t have a 51 minute clip. My longest clip is 41minutes and the minimum I am allowed to charge for that is 14.99$. So my guess is, the minimum of minimums is 14.99$, meaning that they could easily charge 14.99$ for e.g. a 60minute clip.
About the quality
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and B2B videos are pretty high quality too, so there's that to consider.
How is that to consider? May I tell you that I reduce my HD videos, which I film in 1920 x 1080 Full HD 25000kbps etc. to 1280x720 HD ready 6000kbps and STILL I can upload a max. clipsize of about of 28minutes because then the file is about 1200mb big (compiled as .MP4). I just want to say that to give my perspective on what quality is.
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I can totally understand the producer of these videos being unhappy with Clips for Sale if they're bumping the price up to the point of potentially hurting overall sales. They're kinda messing with his livelihood there when you really think about it.
This is jumping to conclusions about c4s which are just not true and I could not leave that uncommented. Bound2Burst can ask anything between 14.99$ and 99$ (the max for 1 clip) for each of their long clips. If anything, clips4sale is protecting the price and therefore people like me, who work extremely hard to feed their family, putting hours of effort into every single clip. As amateur home grown 'producers' like me could not compete in a market where big companies were allowed to dump prices as low as I have seen, like:
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I've purchased month long subscriptions a time or two (to other sites, not B2B) with unlimited downloads that were less than that
or the clipsites where the minimum is 0.99$ and which pay the producers 25%.
XXX Sinna
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Jodan
Posted Yesterday, 02:09 AM
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Um... I said IF they are bumping the price up I could understand the frustration. And by "pretty high quality," I mean that the picture is fairly clear and I like most of their models (which is of course purely a matter of opinion). I wouldn't try to go technical on the subject of film production because honestly, I wouldn't have a clue. I'll leave that to the experts and just 'sticks to me black-smiffen.' My apologies for any miscommunication.
Sinna (2pee4you)
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Hey Jordan,
I apologize. I just did not want this to accelerate into a direction that is too far from what is really going on. So I pushed the breaks pretty hard, to explain it metaphorically.
However, you also said
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They're kinda messing with his livelihood there when you really think about it.
Which I considered a conclusion and which let me think that you were one step further than the "IF" scenario you are referring to
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I just want to say that to give my perspective on what quality is.
I did not even consider the model quality, because for me, that is not an option (however, I hear that the quality of my model *gg* is pretty good
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Posted Yesterday, 09:40 AM
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I too feel that this was taken the wrong way. Sinna, I am not bashing Clips For Sale, nor do I have a store or know exactly how it works, so if I implied that, I apologize. What I do know is that some time ago I made a donation deal with FLbabygirls.com who also uses C4S and they could only lower the price of whatever we were doing so far and it wasn't good for either end of the deal. They have also mentioned that they can only lower older clips so far due to restrictions on C4S. Bound2Burst used Files Forever until a couple months ago when Files Forever disappeared. Because of the limitations you mentioned about the difficulty in finding a processor for adult content, C4S is a good option. However, David North, who owns and runs B2B and films most everything out of his home and is a one man operation other then the help of his wife (not a big company) has openly said his prices are restricted by C4S and he IS working on alternative places or methods of processing so he can charge more reasonable prices.
C4S may be an awesome option for a lot of people and they are obviously very successful, but I did not intend to talk good or bad about them, I was just defending Bound2Burst and the question about their increased fees. I don't know the deal they had before or the details of either, but it is because of C4S that the clips cost more. Whatever restriction there is with C4S, this isn't the first time I have heard about it and David North is doing what he can to get prices back to what we are used to. So this isn't a case of a big company trying to jack the prices on us all, that's all I wanted to say.
Sinna, I do like the things you have going on as well and I wish you all the luck, I wish I had your courage.
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As I understand it, C4S isn't screwing with Dave, indeed he appreciates that they're a more permanent method of selling his clips, but the margins for B2B have haemorrhaged badly with the demise of Files Forever. Not only has he had to scale back his operation - and he can't experiment with new themes any more, plus multi-model movies has become much more difficult - but the prices have gone up (which no doubt is reducing sales) while his profits go down. Basically no-one comes out on top. Well, I mean, C4S do in the sense of gaining another strong studio, but I don't think anyone has -blamed- them for having that business model.
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Posted Yesterday, 10:13 AM
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Just FYI - All prices on Clips4Sale are ultimately set by the producers...
It's initially based on time, for example if you have a video clip that is 10 minutes long, the clip would be $10.99. All clips are calculated at one dollar per minute plus 99 cents. Anyone can work that out by looking at the site. So, if a producer is charging say $16.99 for a 10 minutes clip you know that THEY have increased their own prices. It has nothing to do with Clips4Sale... the producer makes the decision to price their clip a little above or a little below the recommended price ($1 per minute - plus 99 cents)
With regard to pricing overall and how low a producer can drip their prices, it's true there are limits. Clips under 10 minutes long can only lower their price by about $1.00, whereas a 15 minute clips can drop down to $11.99 and clip that is 20 minutes long can lower the prices down to $12.99. The longer the clip time the more options a producer has in lowering the overall price. It's also calculated on server fees and bandwidth, 24/7 support staff and a bunch of other things not taken into account... and Yes, I'm a C4S producer too and have been since 2004.
Also, the clip pricing has not changed ($1 per minute - plus 99 cents has been set from back in 2004) and the producer revenue split hasn't changed, it's always been the same too so raising prices (if a producer does so) is strictly their choice. It has nothing to do with the hosting and processing agreement C4S offers on clips which has always been a 60/40 revenue split in the producers favor.
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Yea, IDK much about this but B2B is, and has been, my FAV pay site. Recently, though, it seems like wonderful car seat peeing, and bed wetting, or anything out of the typical scenario seems scarce there. Lots of intentional panty wetting or staged, standing accidents. Way more nude vids, too, and honestly, I can get free nude stuff allllll over the internet. The lack of creativity added to the price bump... I don't know man. And Clips4Sale doesn't charge any more than any normal hosting site does, so I don't see why that would be a problem. It's bummin me out a bit.
Also, I check the site everyday. I've been waiting for some good movies w/ CC in hand. The quality of the situations is no longer worth the price. IMO obviously.
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Sinna (2pee4you)
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Well, from a business point of view, I can totally understand B2B. If it's only about making money and not about fun, pleasure, satisfaction, enjoying pee - then bedwetting, car wetting and all the creative stuff (just look at what I do, it's just crazy sometimes), is just not worth producing. Compare buying 2 bottles of water and have naked models pee in a room on the floor that you easily wipe clean, with clothed bedwetting. In bedwetting you have to prepare the bed, choose nice clothes, nice sheets then do the clip, then (if you do it like I do) clean the floor, the bed, wash the sheets, your clothes, your shoes, clean the mattress, wash a cushion or two, wash the blanket, put on new sheets, have the mattress dry out for hours etc. All that for maybe a 10-15 minute clip, because let's be honest, when the bed, clothes, blanket, cushion, mattress, floor and bed are wet and the bladder empty and you have showed the stains, what more exciting stuff is left to do? Nothing. Goodnight. Whereas when naked models do a desperation clip, where you film them for 50 minutes, you have no extra work. You don't even clean clothes. As the price is somewhat connected to the minutes, the bedwetting is not economical but the desperation has a big profit margin. If you want creative stuff that is expensive to produce, with the risk (and reality) that it does not even sell, then you can best look out for an amateur producer with a fetish who enjoys making the clips. They will continue offering variety, either because they just like it so much that money is not #1, or they are yet too green to realize that they don't make profit. A pure business approach will go the easy way and make cheap clips that have always sold well. Throw in a couple of old re-runs every now and then to create the illusion of variety, -% sales text and change the background colour every once in a while and you're good. I am not sure, but when I was #1 in pee for about 5 days in April, before I went on vacation, it might have also woken B2B up a little. Their position is not absolute (I was surprised myself) and by changing their prices they maybe try to adapt to the new situation. However, that is just speculative, because I don't see us as competitors. I am actually surprised to read that they made car and bedwetting in the past. I thought they were pure (naked) desperation, while I rarely do desperation (mostly when I get a request for it)
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I have seen people here talking about quality, but that is quite a steep territory...
Quality isn't measured only in pixels, resolution and if the film is HD or not. Of course, nobody wants to pay for a video filmed with a VGA mobile phone camera, YouTube is full of those. However, there's more to quality than the clarity of the video itself. It is in the number of models, how good they look (which is a subjective aspect, so cannot be quantified), the number of videos produced, the storyline and the variety.
You cannot compare realwetting, which has a couple of models, very little or no scenario, and pretty much the same wettings in a different setting and with a different colour pantyhose, with bound2burst, for example. In my opinion, b2b is among the best producers in the genre, by scenarios, storyline, variety and number of models. But that, of course, brings with itself a bigger price.
I would say there is something for every pocket around the internet, from free to very expensive.